Ah, it looks like there are some issues that need addressing here!
Tickets are £5. There are 48 bands booked for this event, so paying customers pay around 10p to see each band.
We ask bands to work with us, sell the tickets and create a decent event. I cannot see why a band would not work hard to sell their tickets, unless they were happy playing to an empty room.
We are not cashing in on local bands who dont get the chance to play venues like The Empire, we are providing an oportunity for bands to play venues like The Empire.
The deal with the tickets is as follows: bands are expected to sell 25(ish) tickets, we pay the bands back £1 for each ticket sold. That means we make £4 from each ticket. If each band sells 25 tickets our income is £4,800. If you were to do your research, that barely covers our costs. With venue hire fee of litterally thousands, staffing costs, equipment hire costs, travel costs. WE DO NOT MAKE A LOT OF MONEY FROM THESE SHOWS. They are set up to provide bands with an oportunity to play to big crowds, in decent venues.
Lets look at the costing for a massive festival with 100,000 attendeed all paying £150 to go. That is a gross income of £15million . You pay an avarage established band around £15,000 to play. There is on avarage around 50 bands who will be paid that kind of money, that is a total of £750,000 cost for bands. At a large festival the costs of fences, toilets and all other neccaseries are covered by fast food vans and fairs renting space with you. Staffing is paid for by you and is around £12 per hour for 1 staff per 75 people which equals 2000 staff each working around 50 hours which equals £1.2million. Staging and PA has a total cost of around £600,000 per day for 3 stages. Sound engineers are brought in by the bands. So such a festival would take home net profi of £11.25million,
However, we, making a few hundred measley pounds on a local gig, are the ones who are ripping people off?
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sam@red-land.co.ukX amount of 15 grand bands do not sell 100,000 tickets, so you need to get real on that !
rage against the machine, metalllica etc at leeds are getting serious money so do not try and justify yourselves trying to use 'big' festivals as some kind of barometer!
i seriously doubt the income from ticket sales alone covers the bands at such an event, and if you give me a few hours i can probably dig up some figures from the horses mouth to justify my statements, however an internet slanging match is not what i am here for.
i personally dont like these kind of events, whether they generate income or not, the events i run are run on a basis that the billing fits together, the bands are worthwhile putting on, and not some kind of myspace middlesbrough band lottery.
It would be interesting to see your costs on an event like this, knowing the venue/area/hire companies etc I have a feeling in a 'sell out' situation you will make yourself a penny or two.
Why would you run such events if they weren't making any money for the 11 of you involved to travel the country (at local bands expenses) and stay in nice hotels?
Anyway, i dont care, i've said enough.
Bands > in theory its a good show to play, they clearly know their stuff and i am sure it'll be a succsessful event.
Doubters > production line local random band fest lottery anyone?
Anyway, I'm out of here. I have 3 festivals to finish off.
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